My Thoughts On Foreclosure Bailouts

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Regular readers of my blog have probably figured out that I’m a pretty liberal gal.  On just about every social issue, my views are pretty firmly on the left.   I support the stimulus plan, primarily because I believe that its proponents in the government are honestly trying to do what’s best for America.  I’m not an economist, and I don’t pretend to understand all of the nuances of how the stimulus will impact the country and individual Americans (to be frank, I think that most reps and senators don’t fully understand it either, but that’s another story).

And yes, on a broad level, I support the idea of stopping the flood of foreclosures and helping people stay in their homes.  I know that this is what has to be done in order to shore up the economy – the housing woes were the start of this whole economic mess, so it makes sense that something has to be done to fix housing in order to fix the economy in general.  And yes, I understand that if the government steps in and helps people who are in danger of losing their home, and if that in turn helps the economy recover, all of us benefit.

But I’m still frustrated by a lot of the chatter that I hear online these days about housing and foreclosures.  ACORN’s efforts to get homeowners to refuse to leave their foreclosed homes bothers me.  Come on, people.  Owning a home is not a right.  There is no guarantee that home values will always increase.  If you buy a house and hang onto it for 30 years – without refinancing and pulling out cash – you’ll probably be able to sell it for a pretty good profit.  But if you’re looking for a guarantee that you won’t lose money, don’t buy real estate.  And I would say that only a life or death emergency could justify taking cash out of your home in a refinance.  Refinancing a mortgage and taking cash out is basically trading the security of staying in your home for whatever it is that the money will be used for.  Life or death emergency – fair enough.  Anything else – is it really worth losing your home over?

I know that there are lots of people who were duped by unscrupulous lenders during the housing bubble in the first half of this decade.  There were appraisers who fraudulently set the values of properties far higher than they should have, and unsuspecting buyers were underwater from day one.  There were lenders who got people who didn’t speak or read Engligh to sign for ARMs that they didn’t have a prayer of being able to pay once the interest reset.

But there were also lots of people who just bought more house than they could afford.  And people who refinanced and pulled out money, using their homes as ATMs.  And people who bought houses they couldn’t afford using “creative financing”, counting on the idea that prices would continue to rise and they would be able to refinance a few years down the road.  It’s frustrating to me that my tax dollars will be used to bail out these homeowners.  Yes, I’m a bleeding heart liberal, but I still find this pretty hard to swallow.

My husband and I bought our house in 2003.  Back then, loans were handed out like candy on Halloween.  I don’t remember the specifics, but I know that we were approved for a more expensive house than we bought.  The median house price in our town is $450,000.  We bought a house for $190,000.  Could we have bought a house for $300,000?  Sure, but it wouldn’t have been very responsible of us.  Could we have bought a more expensive house, financed it with an ARM, and tried to refinance after a few years?  I suppose so, but I’m glad we didn’t.  We chose to just stick to what we knew we could afford, even if our financial situation didn’t improve over the years, and even if our house didn’t go up in value.  In the first few years after we bought our house, we struggled to make ends meet.  But we never missed a mortgage payment (or any other payment, although there were times when we only made minimum payments on our credit card).  Our cars are nearly 20 years old, and just about everything in our house was purchased second hand.  But we now own about 25% of our home.

It’s frustrating to me that people are talking about bailing out homeowners whose houses are worth less than they owe on their mortgages.  Tell me – if you buy a house and then it appreciates dramatically over the next few years, would it be fair for the previous owner to demand that you give them a share of the value gain?  Of course not – that’s what real estate is all about.  You buy and you sell – everyone hopes to buy low and sell high, but that’s not always the way it works.  And if people aren’t comfortable with the idea that a piece of property might lose value after they buy it, they should probably stick to renting.

I’m a little bitter about the whole housing bailout situation.  But I’m also hopeful.  I’m hopeful that this whole situation will teach people about the value of living within their means.  I’m hopeful that people will realize the importance of saving and of buying less than they can afford.  I’m hopeful that the stimulus bill will be successful and that the economy will bouce back.  I’m hopeful that this whole mess will not repeat itself.

As for me and my family, we will stick to our frugal lifestyle and feel fortunate that we didn’t take one of the many wrong turns that led so many homeowners into situations that require a bailout.  I know that we’ve worked very hard, but I also know that we’re lucky.  We were lucky to both be raised by parents who understood the value of a dollar and passed on that knowledge to their children.  We were lucky to be born into families that valued education and encouraged us to go to college.  We are lucky to have each other, and our son.  See – it worked.  I was feeling frustrated about the idea of foreclosure bailouts, and then I reminded myself of how lucky I am, and now I’m feeling all mushy inside.

What do you think?  Should the government write down the amount owed on mortgages where borrowers are underwater?  Should the terms of loans be changed to make it easier for people to pay their mortgages? (like the idea of setting a mortgage payment at 1/3 of a borrower’s income).  Do you have any ideas for how the government could intervene to prop up the housing situation in the fairest possible way?

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  • NM Patricia

    Amen, sister and thanks for your thoughts. You touched on something that has been bothering me for awhile. I am going to try to substitute a little resentment about people who were irresponsible who may get bailed out for a little gratitude.

  • http://farmhomelife.blogspot.com/ Trixie

    Hello,

    What a well -balanced post! Reduced foreclosures will help reduce the real estate slide, but I struggle with the idea of bailing out those people that made poor decisions. Yes, there were a lot of unethical practices going on in every aspect of the mortgage market, but also a lot of “buying more house than you can afford” syndrome.

    I agree completely with real estate not being a good place to put your money if you only think it should go up. Sure, it’s great when the price goes up and you bought low, but it’s important to remember the price can just as easily go down.

    Trixie

  • April

    I support a stimulus, but not one with so much pork. I’m not sure what was cut from the final bill, but there were wish list items like $1 billion for Amtrak, a federal railroad that hasn’t had a profit in 40 years. I’m completely against bailing out failing businesses, or companies that produce products that are not in demand and admit inferiority (GM). I know that auto industry is big. I know that means unemployment for the employees. But sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and see that we cannot continually give these companies taxpayer money to keep them afloat when they failed long ago.

    I actually wondered where you stood politically. In some areas you definitely seemed liberal, but you run your household like a fiscal conservative.

  • http://www.familybalancesheet.org Kristia@FamilyBalanceSheet

    By fiddling with some of the inflated mortgage payments to fit a percentage doesn’t necessarily mean the homeowner will be able to afford the home. If they bought a house too big for their budget than the utilities, insurance and general upkeep will also not be affordable for them. It is a mess and I wish I knew the answer. At the beginning of the mess I was very hard on the homeowner. If we were able to be fiscally responsible than why can’t other people, but I have realized that alot of these people were sold a load of horse manure to get them to sign on the dotted line.

    We watched a good documentary on this crisis over the weekend on CNBC, called House of Cards. It was informative and enlightening.

    Side note – I like the new design. I am a subscriber and don’t get to your site too often. Did you design yourself or use an online website?

  • http://www.mymoneyminute.com Jason @ MyMoneyMinute

    Frugal Babe, nice looking site!

    Unfortunately, a program that writes down loans and goes out of it’s way to save borrowers from foreclosure doesn’t help stimulate the economy. A homeowner bailout won’t shore up the economy; it will most likely prolong the disaster, while providing no long-term lessons or benefits.

    I wish these tumultuous financial times would also be the catalyst to people beginning to live within their means. Unfortunately at every turn it seems as if our government rewards poor financial behavior. This only reinforces the notion that there are no consequences for bad decisions. Actually, further than that, it teaches that good decisions will not be properly rewarded.

    We should allow those who acted responsibly financially during the bubble to reap the benefits of corporate and consumer greed now that the bubble’s burst.

    Check out my blog for my proposed stimulus plan, including matching funds for home down payments. It’s a decent start I think, and affirms good financial behavior.

    Part One: http://tinyurl.com/cbxddr
    Part Two: http://tinyurl.com/de4aq9

  • Shanna

    Complete and total mess all the way around. When regulation was tossed, unscrupulous practices and regular people speculating on housing futures came in to take advantage. While I’m sorry that some got taken advantage of and that others are now in a bad position because their plans didn’t work out as they planned/hoped, I don’t feel that the rest of the taxpayers should be required to get them out of this mess. However, it does appear that this is potentially the base issue of the entire worldwide economic crisis that we’re in now, so I imagine that we’re going to have to do something.

    Perhaps the government could require that all of these banks that made bazillions of dollars buying and selling these mortgages back and forth in blocks of securites must renegotiate the ARMS and terms of mortgages. Maybe refinance a 30 year loan into a 40 or something to lower the monthly payment along w/ getting them into a 5% fixed rate or something. Whatever is necessary to keep these folks from being turned out–keeps house prices higher and fewer foreclosures ruining credit and less empty houses on the market, etc. That’s as far as my basic economics education takes me in trying to come up with a solution. I’m sure that’s just too simple to actually work because I don’t know all of the implications of my own ideas in the big picture of world economics.

    I’m one of the lucky ones. I bought my house at a reduced price in 2000. It has gone up in value, and I just completed my second refinance for a lower rate. I live within my means, am healthy, have a job that isn’t likely to be lost, and I’m single. I hope to have my house paid off in about 10 or 11 years. And I realize just how lucky I am that I have all of these things in my favor. But it ticks me off how many people tried to take advantage of the system and now find themselves in so much trouble that the federal government has to finagle a way to try and help them out of the mess they got themselves into because they didn’t take the time to educate themselves to what could happen when they signed on the dotted line. There’s a reason that some people refer to their closing days as the day they signed their life away. Seems like it would behoove them to actually realize what their lives could be like when they did just that.

  • FrugalBabe

    Thanks for weighing in everyone. I agree that there’s no simple solution – this post was mainly my own stream of thought about all the various aspects of this situation.
    April – from a values/society standpoint, I’m definitely liberal, and pretty outspoken about it. You’re right, I’m fiscally conservative in terms of how I run my own household, but I’m strongly opposed to the ideas that fiscal conservatives put forth in terms of lowering taxes and then cutting social programs. I absolutely don’t think it’s a good idea to cut taxes and expect the poor to be helped by the generosity of the rich. I just don’t think that works. I have no problem paying taxes – and even seeing tax increases – if the money is being used to help people who need it. I do want to see fiscal responsibility in the government, just as I want to see it among individuals and families. But to me that means running efficiently and eliminating waste – it doesn’t mean cutting social programs that primarily benefit lower income families. So when I look at the stimulus bill, I don’t see nearly as much “pork” as most fiscal conservatives. Hope that clears things up a bit!
    Kristia – Thanks! I’m glad you like the new look. My husband did it for me a few weeks ago. He used a template, and then changed a bunch of stuff to make it fit my blog.

  • FrugalBabe

    Shanna’s comment – “There’s a reason that some people refer to their closing days as the day they signed their life away. Seems like it would behoove them to actually realize what their lives could be like when they did just that.”

    Very well said!

  • FrugalBabe

    Interesting timing, but I just got an email this morning from Congress.org asking for my input on whether bankruptcy judges should be allowed to write down the amount of a mortgage. Ugg. Again, I see both sides – I want the economy to recover, and proponents of this plan say that giving judges this freedom will help the economy. But then there’s the part of me that is just plain annoyed that people who didn’t live within their means will be getting rewarded for bad choices. No easy answer my friends.

  • Nat

    This mess was bought on by a bill passed in the late1990′s. The housing industry began to slow down, so congress decided that it would be a good idea to make lending easier to less qualified applicants. Banks would lend a certain amount to lower income families. Ok, so naturally the housing market gains steam and by the early 2000′s it was a gold mine.

    Then the lending banks began to get greedy. They stopped being responsible and checking loan applications or inventing income. An example, when we bought our house, my husband listed his income at 37,000 the bank actually listed it at 68,000. We saw the mistake and question it. They counted a one time inheritance as income. We listed it as savings. Yeah we used that money as a down payment, but that was not income. It is “mistakes” like this that got people into mortgages they could not afford. We bought a house we could afford on our income at the time.

    So do I like the idea of a stimulus and mortgage bailout? NO! Do I think it is necessary, somewhat. I have a degree in finance so I see the issues on both sides. We are a global economy, so something has to be done. It is not like the 1930’s. This is how I would like to see the mortgages dealt with; I feel that the people who are in foreclosure should have to reapply for the loan. The loan should be for the current value of the house and include an escrow account in the mortgage. If the loan payment can not be paid then they lose the house. This idea even makes me sick b/c we (responsible people) would still have to foot the bill on the homes lost value. But it should help keep our home values level.

    Sorry this was lengthy, this really makes me mad.

  • http://www.sidewalkbellydance.com Kaytee

    I think some of it stems from some idea that the American Dream means that Americans are entitled to whatever they want, whether they can afford it or not.

  • sarah

    It certainly it a mess. Something about the homeowner bailout enrages people in a way the (much larger) bank bailout never did. It is so much harder to get angry at a monolithic institution like a bank than Joe Schmoe down the street who drew out his mortgage equity to buy a car and a flat screen tv.

    Will a homeowner bailout benefit people who were financially responsible? Yes, it will. It will also help people who were responsible but who have seen their equity drop to the point the can’t refinance. It will help people who are financially responsible but who’ve lost their jobs. And it will, hopefully, benefit the population at large by slowing the amazing losses we’ve seen recently. For those reasons, I support the homeowner bailout, even though I’ll see no personal benefit. That’s the way it is with ANY public program though; we provide support to grateful and deserving masses with the understanding that an undeserving few will receive the benefit as well.

    (As a side note to people who are so upset by the homeowner bailout: Even if irresponsible Joe Schmoe gets bailed out you are still much, much, much better off than he is both financially and emotionally. The peace and stability that comes with good personal finance completely surpasses the benefit of one-time government assistance.)

  • sarah

    “Will a homeowner bailout benefit people who were financially responsible?”

    Oops, that should have been:

    “Will a homeowner bailout benefit people who were financially irresponsible?”

  • http://thereductionistspeaks.blogspot.com neimanmarxist

    I have been buried in my dissertation but am emerging to say 1) love the new look! it’s proably been up for ages but i am keeping up in my feed reader, you see- and 2) great thoughts, and i agree that policy shouldn’t be about punishment- but about forward movement. responsible people like yourself are the ones that end up paying, it’s true, and i’m not trying to discount that – but you’re right that the decisions that are getting made are ones that look to the future not the past.

  • April

    Yes, but the example I gave of pork was not a social program. There was a lot of wasteful spending that did not help the poor. Movie studios got money, for crying out loud.

    I don’t mind paying taxes to help those in need, either. But there is a great deal of abuse of social programs by able-bodied people, and I would like to see that stopped.

    I also take issue with those who paint conservatives as people who “don’t care about poor people,” as one coworker put it. I’m a libertarian, but I come from a family of conservatives, and that just strikes me as drinking the liberal media Kool-Aid. Research has shown that religious conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals. SCHIP was created by republicans. You really have to read both liberal and conservative viewpoints to get the whole story.

  • Emma

    This is hard. I do not think the govt should bail out a majority of these homeowners. They acted foolishly and should pay for their actions and not be rewarded. On the other hand, I know people who will benefit from a homeowner bailout. One friend bought her home when making 160K a year and could readily afford her mortgage. She lost her job when the company folded its US office–in her current job she only makes 100K a year–so refinancing from 6.5% to 4.5% would be of tremendous help to her. Someone like her who has made all her payments should be helped, but the problem will be identifying those who deserve help and those whose actions were fraudulent and foolish.

  • http://vintagerags.blogspot.com Angela

    Preach it sista! You have stated my thoughts about the problem exactly, except more clearly and well-crafted than I could have. Anway, I heard an interview on NPR recently where they discussed a program in which banks did repossess the homes, but then in turn kept the previous owners in the homes as renters. They could set the rent at a more reasonable rate, so the bank would still receive money, have someone living in the home, but the buyer would not retain ownership of the home. It seems like in this way, everyone loses a bit, but they still keep something.

  • AnnJo

    Reality is harsh, but it needs to be recognized:

    You WILL get more of what you reward and less of what you punish.

    The mortgage bailout rewards people for making irresponsible decisions and punishes people for making responsible ones. Therefore, we will get more of the former and less of the latter. The only question is whether this is what we want.

    For every homeowner whose house is foreclosed, there is a potential buyer, who could have bought that house if it only were priced reasonably, using his own money, not the taxpayers’. This is harsh for the foreclosed homeowner, but a boon for the potential buyer.

    I know quite a few people who got into houses they couldn’t afford (all of them very nice people, by the way.) A few of them I even tried to persuade it was a risky idea, but it was not what they wanted to hear. Forgive me, but I think you are naive if you think that anyone will learn a lesson of frugality by a policy that rewards them for being foolish. I have to wonder why you didn’t learn the lesson that you should have gone ahead and bought that $300,000 house even if it was irresponsible. Your lifestyle would be better and your more responsible neighbors would be picking up the tab.

  • Anna

    I think there are responsible people who got nailed in this and irresponsible people who don’t deserve help. However, how do you decide between the two? I’m not touching that Solomon question for nothing.

    But I can sympathize with folks who tried to be responsible. After we bought our house, we got calls every year from our lender “Housing prices have gone up by average of X% – we can refinance and give you more cash” While a younger version of me would have gotten taken in on this, between the calls and what you saw on TV (take money and put it in stock market????), luckily my husband was more financially savvy and illustrated to me the fees we’d have to pay to get that money. It was those fees the banks wanted.

    On the flip side, though, I don’t understand the foreclosure problem for one reason. What ever happened to bankruptcy? The bank takes over your budget basically and says “give us this much every month”. A family member had to do this and it’s not an easy way out. The bank is paid first and takes a LARGE chunk of your monthly income. Which is as it should be – you pay off as much as you can and bank helps reduce interest rates etc.

    Why is this option not being utilized with this crisis? Or did the revamping of the bankruptcy laws just a few years ago make this difficult? (Ok the paranoid person in me wants to know – did they see this coming and change the laws accordingly?)

  • http://www.payingforretirement.com thomas

    Excellent post. Well laid out and many great points. It’s nice to see those who classify themselves as Liberal to actually THINK about things instead of toeing party lines.